Day 249 - 14 May 96 - Page 32
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2 Q. You did not notice?
3 A. No.
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5 Q. I thought you had a very good recall of what happened on
6 these demonstrations?
7 A. I do.
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9 Q. But you did not watch this person who you considered to be
10 the ring leader of the whole campaign?
11 A. No, I did not say I considered him to be the ring
12 leader.
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14 Q. -- campaign against McDonald's?
15 A. I did not say I considered him to be the ring leader.
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17 Q. All right, one of the organisers?
18 A. I had reason to believe that he was one of the
19 organisers.
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21 Q. And yet you were not bothering to watch what he was doing
22 or look out for him?
23 A. No.
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25 Q. You said in paragraph 10 of your statement, your first
26 statement, that "prior to the demonstration I was able to
27 learn the identity of two of the organisers, Paul Gravett
28 and Helen Steel".
29 A. Yes.
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31 Q. How did you learn our identities?
32 A. I was told them by the Special Branch officers from
33 ARNI.
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35 Q. That was prior to the demonstration?
36 A. Yes.
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38 Q. How long before the demonstration?
39 A. Four weeks.
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41 Q. Four weeks?
42 A. Yes.
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44 Q. Where were you when you were told this?
45 A. In my office.
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47 Q. Why were Special Branch officers in your office?
48 A. They had telephoned me to ask me if I was aware that
49 there was going to be a demonstration outside of our
50 offices, and then they indicated that they were interested
51 in the organisation and did I have a perch they could use,
52 and a perch is police parlance for an observation post.
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54 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Just pause a moment. Yes?
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56 MS. STEEL: This was on the telephone they said this?
57 A. Yes.
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59 Q. Right. Then what happened?
60 A. Well, I told them I too was interested and finally
