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he's entitled to be paranoid and sensitive about manipulation of behaviour

Posted by: Lark on November 19, 1999 at 12:42:15:

In Reply to: 'Crematoria' ain't subtle posted by Stoller on November 15, 1999 at 21:35:23:

: Did you say SUBTLE? Here's Chomsky's words on the topic of behaviorism:


: Unwanted behavior will be eliminated from the start by the threat of the crematoria and the all-seeing spies.(1)

He's an anarchist he's entitled to be paranoid and sensitive about manipulation of behaviour, even for good ends.

: You'd call THAT subtle?


: : [Y]ou have to have a perspective but [does it] has it to be eliteism and political sectarianism and dogma or doctrine?

: Ooh, those names! Chomsky has taught you attack technique well...

Chomsky taught me nothing I just know that if I dont want to engage in eliteism I better not make leaders out of people or engage in veneration of 'great thinkers'.

: Eh? Remember the part about leaders being 'subject to recall at any time'?

The elements that he plagarised from syndicalists, such as, that you mention where good but they where plagarised from people with mere trade union consciousness....

: Well, you'll recall his extensive analysis of the Paris Commune of 1871...


: That first revolution was a bourgeois revolution! And that's all trade-union consciousness CAN produce.

You should have told that to the anarchist SR's who went to the parliament with a massive mandate, there wherent any rightists in the parliament either and it was the parliament that provoked the white reaction too.

: : Then it is very clear that Lenin is a statist and a simple bureaucrat...

: Are you kidding?

No way.

: Ever read his 'Once Again on the Trade Unions,' 'Better Fewer But Better,' etc., etc. To call Lenin a supporter of bureaucracy is LUDICROUS!

I meant bureaucrat in that, that was his profession, the type of work he liked, giving him a predisposition towards statism where that kind og work would be plentyful or at least definitely provided.

: : ...in love with the idea of planning because he is more concerned with this than the destruction of the state.

: Ahem? Do you remember the MILLION references to 'smashing the state' in The State and Revolution?

Yes, written under the influence of the first revolution, a revolution he'd lost faith in, his interest and enthusiasum wanned.

: Are you SURE you read The State and Revolution, Lark?


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: Note:
: 1. Chomsky, 'Psychology and Ideology,' The Chomsky Reader, Pantheon 1987, p. 178.

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