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Posted by: Samuel Day Fassbinder ( Citizens for Mustard Greens, USA ) on January 28, 19100 at 17:30:39:

In Reply to: 'Wise as a serpent' posted by Frenchy on January 28, 19100 at 16:04:24:

: : : Oh yeah, have I endorsed any EXISTING or PAST system of "communism"? Where? And what did I say about it? : See, Norman, I can post links about everything you said. Can you do the same for my posts?

: You've never quoted Lenin or Marx to support your positions?

SDF: I could quote either author and it wouldn't be because I was trying to show anything about anything more than "what Lenin said" or "what Marx said". Stoller quoted Hitler (in fact he quoted Hitler's DENUNCIATIONS of COMMUNISM) in support of the position that Hitler "wasn't on the left"; this does not make Stoller a Nazi.

Go ahead, quote Marx if you want Norman. It's OK. We have freedom of speech here in America, and you can buy Marx's books openly in the bookstore without fear of immediate retribution. And, besides, your quote doesn't have to be an APPROVING quote.

: You've never illustrated your conception of an ideal society with examples including Pygmy tribes and American Indian tribes?

SDF: No, I illustrated a point about this so-called HUMAN NATURE of ours with those examples. I showed how referring to "human nature" as an argument for LIMITING HUMAN POSSIBILILTIES was absurd, because there were so many different varieties of society that a concept of "human nature" would have to encompass them all. This was a disproof of the notion that "human nature" is CULTURAL -- people are who they are because they are Pygmy or Ik or Semai or Yanomami or American or Chinese, not because someone says "it is human nature to be (fill in the blank)". Ideal societies cannot thusly be rendered impossible with shallow arguments about "human nature," because culture is something we can KNOW and therefore DESIGN.

Say Norman, what if you all of a sudden decided to say something about the WORDS on the PAGE as I put them down, instead of merely identifying my words with the stereotyped visions that dot your responses? Wouldn't that be something!

: If you disavow present and past Communism/Socialism I suppose that means you endorse future Communism, which only proves what Gort said (I think it was Gort...) sometime ago regarding the failure of you guys being able to show actual working models of Communism, other than the models that exist between your ears. Socialism Delenda Est. (That's the Ablative Absolute construction for you Latin fans out there.)

SDF: If it's only within my ears, then why are you so afraid of it?

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