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Responsibility and duty are important in creating a stable and happy society

Posted by: Lark on January 30, 19100 at 21:08:57:

In Reply to: The Job: The best social program around posted by David on January 28, 19100 at 17:33:21:

: It is a nasty business, however, I have faith that conditions will improve. Look at the coal mining of the 1900s...

Every change since then has been the product of the struggle of the labourer, of working people, to be treated as humans rather than assets or machinery. If conservativism was successful in it's incorporation of working people into it's ideology these conditions would not have changed one bit, in the third world they haven't.

As regards automation, it is good that it anihilates disagreeble work but if it renders the population unemployed en masse and the employed dont want to subsidise them endlessly, I know I wouldnt, we have a problem.

: That is correct, that is why my parents make me work for the money I recieve, they believe they would be shortchanging me if I weren't given responsibility.

This is true, what about affluenza? When people become so affluent that their off spring can not fathom the importance of arduous work or disagreeable work in producing wealth/the good life.

Responsibility and duty are important in creating a stable and happy society and environment but the ultra capitalists of conservatism or propertarianism have forgotten them altogether.

: Actually, now that we are on the subject, an interesting quote I heard from my [socialist] uncle was: "The best social program is a good job."

I agree. A good job isnt just a source of employment it is an opportunity for self-actualisation and source of self respect, a means to expression, a means of empowerment and a source of social networks.

It's unlikely that we can produce this effectively in the present situtation where the workplace is an authoritarian prison, where the worker is stigmatised, where the work is unappreciated.

: : Oh, fully, are you a pro-capitalist? I took you for a pro-capitalist but I may have been wrong.

: I fasion myself a pro-constitutionally-limited-democracy-using-a-capitalist-economic-system-with-certain-regulations-to-guard-against-feudalism.

Interesting, against the Leviathan of Thomas Hobbes, no doubt? What about the invisible leviathan of the capitalist economy? I mean it may not really, really effect you since the owners of the 'new fuedal properties' which are being created through huge scale amalgamations are situated in your country and will be more paternalistic towards their indigenous people but it's civil and social rights death for me and my workplace colleagues.

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