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About Ayn Rand

Posted by: rabblerouser ( independent socialist/anarchist ) on April 30, 1999 at 10:12:59:

In Reply to: govt run capitalist school? a contradiction posted by Gee on April 29, 1999 at 12:46:12:

First, I must take issue with the reference to Ayn Rand as being "the bitch from hell." One, it is an ad hominem argument, and two, the word "bitch" is a sexist term. What if one were to refer to a African-American or Hispanic whom one disagrees with as "a 'nigger' or 'spick' from hell?" I think perhaps the offensive term should speak clearly for itself.

About Ayn Rand: I agree with many of the arguments presented against Ayn Rand. For example, she (conveniently?) ignores that the maverick American capitalist built his fortune on slaughtering a race of people who occupied the land before him, and our "self-made" American capitalists such as the oil, railroad, automotive, telephone & telegraph, computer, and air travel industries were heavily subsidized by the government. After all, only a centralized industry could have had the resources and coordination available to create a massive communicative and transportative infrastructure such as exists in the U.S.

Nevertheless, she is on the mark with much of her argument against religion, although her arguments were borrowed from David Hume and Bertrand Russell among others. But maybe I should save this argument for religion/anti-religion debate pages.

Also, I feel that Rand's experience with Russian Communism is a crucial influence that makes her react negatively to any collective effort, even by those who do not intend to enslave or be enslaved.

A side note: Rand also thought the then-Govenor Reagan was a wonderful example of an individualist "no-government-interference" kind-of-guy. Interesting indeed since Reagan's presidental government displayed some of the heaviest state intervention policies in recent years, not in social programs, mind you, but in using miltaries to invade or bomb countries who display positions contrary to the US corporate agenda. Or worse, actively worked to subvert or overthrow popularly elected governments in Central America.

Replies anybody?

: : My impulse for coming here was to learn more about Ayn Rand and what people on this site think of her. Growing up in a government run, capitalist controlled school system

: A contradiction. A capitalist society would not have govt run schools. Separation of state and church, state and education, state and economics.

: : I am shocked and dismayed at how shallow and narrow minded her...

: I thought you were going to say *why* rather than just repeat your feelings on the matter.

: : I'd be more than happy to provide examples of the generalizations I've stated here but I would first like to solicit a general response to Ayn Rand. Any takers?

: Oh good, thats what I would like to see- an issue discussed. Ad homineins are boring (and are not arguments), and Rand is continuoully assaulted with them (read book reviews of her stuff, its either praise of the book or ad homineins of the person) - so insulting rand is even more boring than usual!

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