- Capitalism and Alternatives -


Posted by: Red Deathy ( Socialist Party, Uk ) on June 24, 1999 at 16:42:06:

: we already do.

Not consciously, only abstractly and in an alienated fashion.

: Not when 'living through the state' means having to compromise every value against your interest whilst an altlernative exists.

No, it means that the State and your self interest are co-incident.

: Hence money was based upon things of exchange value (not govt promises)

So you'd return to barter?

: Recognition that you are your own, your thoughts are your own and what you create with them are your own, absolutely and tough luckingly regardless of your influences.

But our thoughts aren't our own, because they can only be formulated in circumstances that rely upon other people, and in langugae created by other people.

: This doest really make sense as an expression meaning "united in a
: solid form comprehending the whole"

It means an actual, concretely existing State, which is unversal and accessable to all humanity.

: Greek police?

Pollis- city-states, very democratic if you were amle Citizen, best example of a free people from the ancient world (although archeological evidence sggests the Celts were similar, except they didn't leave a written record per se.).

: The analogy drove at the point - you can do you best and lose because of others you cannot control (you said of market) your choice to play.

Only in competition, or when circumstances are adverse, but rather, if we lose at least we all lose, no one can gain by everyone elses loss.

: Almost the entire human population were once in what we would now call impoverished condition.

Poverty is relative ;)

:Every year the % gets less (and thos with a vested interest in having people poor move the goalposts of poverty) even if the volume goes up (only because death is not as likely)

And its the absolute figures that appall the most.

Last post of the day, I will exercise willpower ;)

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