: SDF: Non sequitur. Leninism is not my belief, yet you insist on tagging me, and everyone else who doesn't believe as you do, as a Leninist.
CP I merely saying that anyone who wants to see socialism and or communism implemented will end up the same way as it has everywhere else. I have explained this before if you had been paying attention.
: You are following Goebbels' tactic: "Everything repeated three times is true." Now (to use your tactics, and to repeat your fallacious line of reasoning) Goebbels and his friend Hitler and their friends, they really taught those Commies a lesson! And they were good capitalist pigs to boot, directing lots of business to the national industries and all, pulling their country out of a depression! So whose murderous past is it?
CP You are comparing Nazi Germany to free market capitalism. This may
work on the uninformed out there, but any thinking person will realize you have lost this point.
: : I am sorry but sweeping it away by saying "we have all heard this before" just doesn't square with me.
: SDF: Not only have I heard it before, I've refuted it before. You weren't paying attention.
CP: So you are similar to the holocaust deniers? Denying the severity of crimes of socialist countries. I have always thought the that communism and fascism are more similar than most would care to admit.
: : Do you think the past revolutionaries thought differently than you? Of course not.
: SDF: Bzzzzt. Wrong again. I'm a Green, we're an electoral political party, we run candidates, we're not the same.
CP: The BZZt is in your head I think you been smoking to much of those mustard greens. I have read your green party platform. Its very much the same as the communist party U.S. The language is couched as very caring and compassionate but all boils down to the same thing, abolition of private property, or controlling it to such an extent that it really cannot be called private.
: : After they got rid of the previous form of gov't, the new one had to have so much power that they created a monster they did not foresee. Don't make the same mistake!! Use history as your guide.
: SDF: We're all way ahead of you there.
CP: Sam I am sorry to say it but you have been either duped or are so ideologically deep you cannot see the forest for the trees.
: : Sweden and all the "third way" countries are simply warmed over socialism repackaged and marketed to unwary citizens. The economics will be disastrous you can already see the signs in europe and canada.
: High unemployment and low productivity.
: SDF: MUCH less poverty, illness, illiteracy, infant mortality, crime etc. than in the US.
CP: You are avoiding Sam, why is there such high un employment and low productivity? Why are companies leaving europe Sam?