Day 061 - 05 Dec 94 - Page 35

     
     1        are in our headquarters in Oakbrook.  I do not determine
     2        how we package our product.
     3
     4   Q.   But each country has its own specific packaging
     5        requirements?
     6        A.  Does it?
     7
     8   Q.   It has its own volume requirements -- each country has
     9        different packaging, does it not?
    10        A.  Does it?
    11
    12   Q.   I am asking you.
    13        A.  On some items they might have, but by and large they do
    14        not, no.
    15
    16   Q.   One country has wraps, another country has clam shells, one
    17        has recycled content, one has less?
    18        A.  As I have said ----
    19
    20   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  We know all that, but if you are suggesting
         that if you do have wraps they are different from one
    22        country to another or clam shells are different from one
    23        country to another -----
    24
    25   MR. MORRIS:  What I am asking is relating to environment/index.html">litter.  Litter is
    26        a serious social problem, is it not, in this country?
    27        A.  In some areas, yes.
    28
    29   Q.   It takes a lot to collect; it takes a lot of effort and
    30        time and it ends up in landfills one way or the other?
    31        A.  It does.
    32
    33   Q.   Yes.  You are not down playing, are you, the problems
    34        caused by environment/index.html">litter in general and packaging?
    35        A.  No.
    36
    37   Q.   So why does McDonald's use so much, such a high volume, so
    38        many different types of packaging, why?
    39        A.  To present -----
    40
    Q.   Why do you do it?  Why do you cause so much packaging
    42        materials to enter the waste stream and to end up as
    43        environment/index.html">litter?  What is the reason?  I am trying to ask what the
    44        reason is.
    45
    46   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  The reason is because they have chosen not to
    47        use reusables.  Now, that is the point.  If you say that is
    48        to be criticised on environmental grounds, have a go at
    49        that, but we know why McDonald's use disposable packaging.
    50 
    51   MR. MORRIS:  Have you seriously looked into reusables in this 
    52        country? 
    53        A.  No.
    54
    55   Q.   I think we can move on to another subject.
    56
    57   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, if it is to be the Defendants' case that
    58        McDonald's would confer great benefit on the environment or
    59        on their customers or whatever by using reusables, then
    60        they must put it to Mr. Oakley while he is here, in my