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     1        of those had quite a lot of feathers missing?
     2        A.  I do not know what your interpretation of a "large
     3        number".  Are you talking in terms of those millions?  Are
     4        you talking percentages?  Are you talking out of the
     5        ordinary?
     6
     7   Q.   Can you tell us -----
     8
     9   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Might I suggest you put to him that it would
    10        be fairly typical if one in so many were significantly
    11        bald, or whatever it is, which you suggest is a typical
    12        picture and then you can ask him to compare it with what we
    13        call farmyard chickens.
    14
    15   MS. STEEL:  What percentage of the chickens that you saw had
    16        significant bald patches or had areas of baldness?
    17        A.  Let me say this, I have seen cages with various degrees
    18        of baldness from nothing to probably 15 per cent of their
    19        body.  I cannot make an estimation of what incidence would
    20        be, how to measure baldness and how to categorise or
         classify, that degree of baldness within a battery
    22        chicken.  I can say that I have seen some of them, yes.
    23        I have seen them.  But I do not want to speculate and I do
    24        not have that data.
    25
    26   Q.   More than 50 per cent of the chickens you have seen have
    27        had that -----
    28        A.  15.
    29
    30   Q.   No, you said 15 of their body?
    31        A.  What I said is I have seen degrees of baldness.
    32
    33   Q.   Yes.
    34        A.  From zero per cent to 15 per cent of baldness.  By that
    35        I mean if you take the body to be 100 per cent, 15 per cent
    36        of that body will not have feathers.  That is what
    37        I intended to say.
    38
    39   Q.   Right.
    40
    MR. JUSTICE BELL:  No, I think Ms. Steel was putting it to you,
    42        asking you whether more than 50 per cent of the chickens
    43        you have seen would fall into the 15 per cent category?
    44        A.  OK, no.
    45
    46   MS. STEEL:  You say "no"?
    47        A.  No, I have not seen them.
    48
    49   Q.   Going back to your statement, the audits you have
    50        mentioned? 
    51        A.  Can you make a reference to what you are reading so 
    52        I can have the same access? 
    53
    54   Q.   You said:  "After the suppliers have been approved
    55        initially they will subsequently be audited by the Quality
    56        Assurance Department to ensure that they continue to comply
    57        with the requirements set out in the specifications".
    58
    59   MR. RAMPTON:  I wonder whether Ms. Steel is cross-examining
    60        Dr. Gomez Gonzalez on his statement, he should not have a