Day 145 - 29 Jun 95 - Page 24

     
     1   MR. MORRIS:  Yes.  (To the witness):  Are you aware of any sweep
     2        in the Bay area of San Francisco in or around June 1992
     3        after which a number of employers were fined, including
     4        McDonald's, by the Labour Department for violations under
     5        the Child Labour Laws?
     6        A.  I am not aware of anything involving McDonald's.  Did
     7        you say San Francisco?
     8
     9   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Was sweep a place or something -----
    10
    11   MR. MORRIS:  No, a sweep is they look into whether child
    12        violations were occurring on a large scale or not.
    13
    14   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes, very well.
    15
    16   MR. MORRIS (To the witness):  Are you aware in -- that is not
    17        specific.  Yes, Rhode Island?
    18        A.  Where, sir?
    19
    20   Q.   Rhode Island, in or before August 1990, McDonald's of North
         Kingstown violated Child Labour Laws regarding improper
    22        hours worked?
    23        A.  No.  I have no knowledge.
    24
    25   Q.   Those are specific alleged violations.  There are questions
    26        relating to things like the number of inspectors that are
    27        available and things like that.  Because of the order
    28        I have done it in, I have to go through them again but just
    29        pick out the general question which I deliberately missed
    30        out.  So I will just go back to -----
    31
    32   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  What do you mean the "number of inspectors"?
    33
    34   MR. MORRIS:  For example, is it true that in the Chicago area
    35        there are only 15 inspectors who are responsible for -----
    36
    37   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  If you really think it will help put
    38        questions like that, if you can roll it all up into one,
    39        that even a large City like Chicago would only have, say,
    40        so many inspectors, then we will find out whether Mr. Stein
         can help us at all on it.
    42
    43   THE WITNESS:  My Lord, can we get some specificity?  There are
    44        multiple agencies -----
    45
    46   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Let us wait and hear what Mr. Morris asks.
    47
    48   MR. MORRIS:  Do you recollect that the Illinois Department of
    49        Labour -- or is it a fact that the Illinois Department of
    50        Labour had been criticised in 1990/1991 for not fining 
    51        companies that violated Child Labour Laws? 
    52 
    53   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, we really cannot have this.  What does it
    54        matter if some busy-body, if that is what it was,
    55        criticised the Illinois state government for not doing
    56        this, that or the other.  It is nothing to do with this
    57        case.
    58
    59   MR. MORRIS:  Is it a fact that the State Auditor General
    60        criticised the Illinois Department of Labour?