Day 145 - 29 Jun 95 - Page 30

     
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     2   MR. RAMPTON:  Orangeville, Ontario.
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     4   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Orangeville, Ontario.
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     6   MR. MORRIS:  Sorry, the Sarah Ingliss.
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     8   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  It was "Canada" dispute not "cantor"
     9        dispute.
    10        A.  Oh, I am sorry.
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    12   MR. MORRIS:  Sorry about that, Canada dispute.  You have said
    13        that both parties made allegations?
    14        A.  Not only both parties -- well, there was more than just
    15        both parties.  The employees intervened in that matter
    16        right from the get go, and they filed allegations of
    17        violations as well that they had been coerced and
    18        intimidated by the union into signing cards.
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    20   Q.   Sarah Ingliss, the 16 year old girl, who organised a branch
         of McDonald's, had intimidated their employees -- that was
    22        one of the allegations by McDonald's?
    23        A.  First of all, she was not 16 years of age.  She was 19,
    24        I believe, years of age and she is the daughter of the
    25        union president.  So we are not talking about someone who
    26        is naive and innocent of the ways of these matters.
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    28   Q.   We will find out her age when she attends as a witness, but
    29        the point being, Mr. Stein, that even when there is a
    30        dispute and violations, alleged violations, are lodged,
    31        such as McDonald's or Mr. Valentine, or whatever, in that
    32        dispute, the violations can be dropped as part of some kind
    33        of mutual agreement; is that not correct?
    34        A.  That is correct.
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    36   Q.   In that case McDonald's dropped its allegations, did it
    37        not, as part of an agreement to have a ballot?
    38        A.  I do not recall McDonald's Corporation having
    39        allegations.
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    Q.   Whoever it was -----
    42        A.  And I am not sure and I am not positive Mr. Valentine
    43        had specific allegations.  There were allegations against
    44        the union.  My recollection is for the most part they were
    45        by the employees against the union.  There may have been
    46        some against Mr. Valentine.
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    48   Q.   Whatever the allegations were, whoever made them, the
    49        allegations against the union were dropped when an
    50        agreement was made, were they not? 
    51        A.  The employees wanted an election and would agree to 
    52        drop their concern.  The matter was ----- 
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    54   Q.   So it does not matter -----
    55        A.  Excuse me a second.  Let me answer the question.  You
    56        asked a question, let me answer the question.
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    58   Q.   We can be here tomorrow as well.
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    60   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes, but if you have asked the question, the