- McSpotlight -


Posted by: rowelentless ( New York, USA ) on December 07, 1998 at 22:00:32:

In Reply to: a moderator replies..... posted by Jill on December 06, 1998 at 20:20:47:

: I'm glad you realise that their food is unhealthy. However, some people don't. Bearing in mind that McDonald's often promote their food as healthy and nutritious (not just the 'low fat' items), it's not surprising that some people have been misled into thinking that the food is good for them. This is an exact quote from a McDonald's brochure 'Every time you eat at McDonald's you will be eating good, nutritious food.' Note how it says every, and that it doesn't say that this only applies to their 'low fat items', many of which aren't that low in fat anyway. This is just one example, they have misled people plenty of times. Perhaps you should keep your eyes open to what McDonald's actually say before barking to their defence and criticising us.

Maybe that is a "British Advert" Here we tell the truth.

: : Advertising

: Why shouldn't we and other people criticise how McDonald's market their products if we don't agree with it? Are you suggesting that McDonald's are above criticism? On the other point, firstly we are not a company and we don't sell 'veggie crap' or veggie anything.

I never said you sold it, I was refering to veggie "nazi's"

: Secondly, whether or not others can advertise is irrelevant to the right to criticise advertising by companies such as McDonald's who exploit children with their advertising and run deceptive adverts, and that's on top of the fact that they're encouraging people to eat more of products which are unhealthy, and produced in a manner which is detrimental to the environment.

American children will eventually make the decision wether they go there or not. The adverts aren't deceptive. It is just their image.

: Funnily enough, this is one of the issues that McDonald's sued over, trying to prevent people from criticising their advertising on these grounds. And what happened? It backfired on them, when the Judge in McLibel ruled that their advertising does exploit children, and that they do deceptively promote their food as nutritious.

Once again it won't affect McD's a bit. Let the two continue to pass flyers, but it is totally dumb to keep dragging on with this trial.

: Finally on this subject, McSpotlight doesn't 'have' people do anything, this website is just a library of information about McDonald's & the McLibel trial, multinationals and the alternatives. If you don't like people defacing signs perhaps you should think a little about why they do it. Firstly because they feel strongly about those issues, and secondly because 'graffiti' and 'flyposts' are often the only methods that ordinary people have of 'advertising' their views. What's the difference between a McDonald's advert on a bus shelter, and an anti-McDonald's flypost? The only difference is that McDonald's were rich enough to pay for their poster to be there. But why should only those with lots of money be able to put over their views to the public?

Yeah but why BREAK THE LAW to get your point across? You guys should try to win the lottery, invest in some good stocks, wait a few years and Try to counteract McD's advertising.

: Good luck with your job at McDonald's, I hope you don't have any bad experiences there, but somehow I doubt it.

Be rest assured there will be none. I know my rights, and if there is pressure, I will take it. It's the nature of the biz, it isn't a job with your own desk and stuff. You will be yelled at, you will do things that suck, but the pay is ok. (At least here.)

: Some people have some choice about whether they work at McDonald's, other people don't. Some people depend on their job to feed their families, others are for example students earning top up money who are largely supported by their families because they still live at home. McDonald's pays low wages everywhere around the world. For those who only rely on McDonald's for kind of 'pocket money', perhaps the wages can seem ok to them. But for anyone who tries to support a family or run their own home, it's virtually impossible to do on McDonald's wages. And the reality is for all McDonald's workers that the company is paying you far less than it's making from your labour - it's ripping you off.

This is why people work more than one job. :-)

: If you think that working for McDonald's is so great, then why aren't you staying there for life?

Because *sigh* I have a life. :-) I intend on going to college to be a computer programer. . I don't expect to be there longer than 2 years.
When I leave hopefully I will make some cool friends.

: As for minimum wages, well even when countries do have them they're not usually set that high, because the wants [not needs] of big business are always taken into account. The minimum wage in the USA is nothing to shout about, and the proposed minimum wage in the UK is not much better than useless. And as for child labour laws, well the UK had at least some labour laws relating to the hours young people could work, but McDonald's chose to break them anyway, and got taken to court for it on some occasions. But, there were plenty more times when it didn't come to light.

: Like I said, some McD's will be that way. You can't stop that with out improvement.

: Perhaps literally people can't be forced to come in on their day off, but the reality is that they're virtually blackmailed into doing so by threats to cut hours, or knowing that if they don't 'co-operate' they'll be given all the dirty jobs or not given the hours that they want or that fit in with their schedule. That's hardly a free choice.

That's why they are naive, and they shouldn't work there.

: Firstly the vast majority of campaigning groups do use recycled paper for their leaflets, but in any event, the paper used by them is absolute peanuts when compared to the amount used by industry, and at least it's being used to encourage action to be taken to improve the situation, rather than just a means of making more profits. Why shouldn't McDonald's be blamed for litter. They chose to promote the use of disposable packaging which is going to be disposed of within minutes, rather than using re-usables.

No way in hell they will use those.

: It's very generous of you to give environmentalists the credit for 'solving the styrofoam dilemna'. Perhaps you didn't even realise there was a problem until environmentalists raised the issue. And perhaps you should try listening to what environmentalists are saying now, about the current problems we face, rather than writing them off as 'earth nuts'.

Well you seem fanatical.

: : Animals.
: : Oh please, what you do want farmers to do to yummy cows and chickens. Give them a luxury high rise with free cable? Hell no! They are treated better than those on death row! And stop trying to convert meat eaters to become veggie freaks. It is just plain dumb!

: The idea behind the campaign is to let people know how cattle, chickens and pigs are reared in cruel conditions, and that people don't have to eat meat to live.
Well we do. So why not stop breeding animals to live a life of suffering and then premature death by slaughter?

Cause people need food from the food chain. (Not McD's, the bio food chain.)

: : Free Speech
: : If the so called "Mc Libel2" didn't say things about McD's then they wouldn't be in this mess. And why are the wasting their time with an APPEAL! A total waste of british tax pounds (dollars) you might add.

: Do you believe in free speech or not?


: You seem to suggest that people don't have a right to fight cases that are brought against them, that they should just lay down and let themselves be walked all over by whichever company chooses to sue them. What kind of world are you looking for? One where nobody questions anything?

I do, it's just the way you guys fight that irks me.

: : And WHY Dave brought him and his son to "Mc Donald's fun day" at his day care center? If you knew that Ronald and "Team Corporate" were coming why didn't he take him to a movie or something instead?
: : Just plain dumb and Naive those two.

: The fun day at Dave's son's play centre was organised by the parents and carers involved with the centre, for the kids that attended. So why shouldn't Dave go along with his son. It was not a 'McDonald's fun day' and was not organised in any way by McDonald's, all they did was donate a paltry sum and get a whole load of free advertising. Why should McDonald's, who did no more than hijack the event, be able to prevent a local parent from taking his child to an event at his own play centre?

If it bothered him so much, why did the organizers accept the sponsorship?

: : Expansion.
: : If you try to prevent a new store, or close an existing one, Mcd's will just laugh at you. It won't really bother them. Go and plant some trees instead.

: There have actually been several campaigns which have succeeded in preventing McDonald's from opening in new localities. I expect that all of them bothered McDonald's, but I don't expect they would admit that.

It won't bother them a bit. They'll just open up else where.

: : Capitalism
: : Plain and simple. You can't stop it. If you don't like then move to a commie nation. They might chop your hand off for sending out a flyer on ANYTHING! Oh, there is no McD's in Iran, Cuba, or Iraq. Love captilalism. That's why we almost beat Sadamm's a#$.

: No-one oppposing capitalism underestimates what a huge battle we have on our hands, when faced with the fact that at present the capitalists control ju

Well I'm sorry it won't change a bit!

: You're entitled to your thoughts, but neither we nor the McLibel 2 are about to quit. We feel it is important that there is a space for alternative views to counter those continually promoted by McDonald's with their $2 billion a year worldwide advertising and promotions budget.

Heard that before. *yawn*

: And perhaps you agree since in your piece under advertising you said that people should post their views on this site rather than on street signs. As for taking the $$, there are things in life a lot more important than money.

Like cars, women, and a big house. *G*

: Like freedom of speech and the right to criticise powerful corporations, like ending exploitation and oppression of people and animals, and like stopping endless environmental damage.

Oh puh-lezze.

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