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Posted by: David ( USA ) on December 22, 1999 at 17:23:06:

In Reply to: And another posted by Stoller on December 22, 1999 at 10:14:19:

: : Garloo, allow me to give you a word advice: when debating here, especially with Barry, always examine the premises and fundamentals of every argument. Barry has this wonderful knack for quoting Lenin, Trotsky, Marx et al. until he (or you) are blue in the face.

: Not to mention quoting Business Week, the New York Times, and the Statistical Abstract of the United States.

Ahh yes, Barries statistics. The ones he misinterprets and bends to his own machinations at will. You are going to here his most treasured stats relating to how many people have B.A.s and how many jobs do not require B.A.s. The similiarity he attributes to a capitalist-bourgeoise conspiracy to keep the working man down.
The thing is though, is that college does not guarantee you a job (try getting one with a major in philosophy...I have some anecdotal evidence for that one...) Anyways though, even people who do not have a B.A. or higher college education can still do very well for themselves. Tool and Die makers for instance can usually make around $25-$30 per hour. Trades can be very lucrative to get into. In fact, my father who is in the automotive industry (VP, earning $180,000/year without even finishing high school) has found that hiring people with MBAs and B.A.s often perform quite poorly because they have absolutely no experience and are too indoctrinated in how things should be. That is why he hires a man with experience over a man with a college degree.

: In the past (such as here and here), David---when confronted with those authorites---readily admited that HE has no authorities to back his statements up.

That was because I was arguing the ethics of a system, not the practical real life workings of one. I was asking Barry to justify his premises, something he just writes off a Randian-Ploy (perhaps he should by a book on philosophical debate).

: However, growing frustrated with defending the indefensible (capitalism), David now simply calls me a fascist. Which is entirely in the spirit of Ayn Rand's les-than-vigorous 'epistolmology.'

Well Barry, by the same standard everyone seems to hold to Frenchy, I would be perfectly right in calling you one. Frenchy posts an article about South Africa that was written by a neo-nazi. All of a sudden Frenchy is a Hitler-Youth Ubermechen neo-nazi. While in your post you quote Hitler to prove
You see Barry, I called you a fascist because your grand scheme of job rotation in which you regulate people's activities and those that do not work you will initiate force against those people. I would also like to bring to my defense that fact that Barry is a majoritarianist.

As I said here, the MAJORITY of people must want socialism before it can happen. Only the MINORITY (cancer cells) will be treated with force. The socialism that the majority wants will be 'implemented' by majority rule (which, admittedly, is called 'force' by those in the minority who are sore losers).

Ah yes, Barry's sore losers. Basically mob rule. His only defense of it is going on the offensive and saying "Well, you do like this minority rule?!?!"
Essentially, my reason for calling you a fascist is your justification of heavy-handed rule (dictatorship) and your justification of using force against people who do not submit your your uberplannen (I'm just making up German words now).
However, I do not believe that you are a fascist in the Nazi sense, nor even the Franco sense. The reason for adding the German words up there was that this is probably the only time I'd get to make up German words :)

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