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the problem with such speeches

Posted by: Gee ( si ) on April 30, 1999 at 17:15:49:

In Reply to: No War but the Class War! posted by Red Deathy on April 30, 1999 at 16:17:43:

Is that a few words can be changed and the entire meaning changes. Its a cheap trick Red, but the bastardised rehash below has the same credibility, because it is supported with the same degree of factual support.

It is valid for you to have the opinion you expressed over what is happening, and in a large part I agree - except I do not see its connection with individual liberty and pvte property, but with the lack of individual sovereignty - precisely because the means to liberty are held at the behest of state.

Reckon its time to put a few things straight, and make my position plain. I am not anti-U.S., nor anti-British, nor Pro-nor-anti-Serb, I am, and always remain, anti-collectivist, an oopenant of the system, in any of its manifestations. I am against collectivists sacrificing the lives of other humans, for their own naked self-interest- when war comes, is each member of the collective consripted? Did they lose their power, the tribal leaders of death? No, but the people were conscripted, and were asked to give up their lives, more often than not, in a cause that stank of corruption more than of anything else.

War is collectivism carried on by other means, or rather, the redundant zero sum mindset is war itself, "we" are in a constant state of war against "them", and when we start to lose by political means, when our interests are deeply threatened, we revert to less... subtle, less efficient ways of exacting obedience to the collective will, of getting the edge, and imposing our will (understand, by 'we' here, of course mean our masters, we have no interest in this at all- there is no 'national' interest, except in as much as it is our masters interest, and by that token, by their strength and wealth, depends how likely they are to employ us, or punish us to save their own interests) to try and get ahead of those who dare to stand apart by use of force.

War is an expoensive business, risky, and a huge use of resources, our hard headed masters, who calculate every person they spend, judge minutely where and to whom it must go, who will try to avoid giving it to the poor, will not lightly, nor spendthriftly fritter it away on war without good reason- no amount of suffering nor evil will provoke them to start a war, unless it begins to impinge upon their interests, and hurt them as well- war is subject to cost/benefit analysis, and our masters don't like taking a loss.

The constant war, the mob war, gang war, turf war, that is global collectivism, means that any notion of law, justice or international co-operation (beyond ever greater bands of bullies) is a pipe-dream, a mockery, a joke. Wars are fought by the powerful, and only for their aims and interests, and if they can pretend to being doing a good turn while they do it, they will put out that it is so, but almost inevitably, ordinary humans, the seried mass of people, who have the misfortune to come between the pass and fall of the mighty warring powers, will be cut down without remorse, as 'a price worth paying'.

In Yugoslavia, war has sprung from the foetid interests of regional elites, squabbling amongst the ruins and poverty of a wrecked economy, aided and abbetted by foriegn powers keen to assert their interest in the area (Germany is croatias friend, but Dggie Hurd likes the Serbs), any notion of the interests of the peopel of ther egion is subsumed to the cries of their masters to fight for them, and the battered, bewildered, scared people, smothered by a tide of poverty, will scramble to any point ofsafety, to lash out at any (however imaginary) enemy or cuase of their misfortune.

It is collectivism that has casued the Balkans war, and collectivism that will keep causing similar wars, so long as it exists. To appeal for negotiatins, to back the NATO bombing, to plead for peace and justice, will avail no-one anything. there can be only one resolution to War, and that is to abolish collectivism, abolish the world-wide collectivist, and bring the peace the people deserve.

"People of the world, claim your sovereign right to life!"

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