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Haven't I allready?

Posted by: Red Deathy ( Socialist party, UK ) on July 09, 1999 at 14:25:12:

In Reply to: Defining the 'working class' posted by Gee on July 09, 1999 at 12:31:18:

: Anyone wish to have a go at defining the working class in an exclusive bound and precise manner?

I thought I'd allready done so- working class if you depend upon the sale of your labour power for wages as a means of living (or if you depend on someone elses sale- wives, children, etc.).

Capitalist class if you depend on the investment of capital to make your living.

As SDF so nicely put it, we define by two rituals:

C-M-C (Commodity-Money-Commodity) for the working class (i.e. I have a commodity, I sell it for money, I buy more vcommodities - my means of living).

M-C-M for the capitalist class (i.e. I take money, invest it in a commodity, I get more money).

There is no middle class.

: RD, I wonder if I will recognise the "grappling point" on me, and I agree discussing with you- its good for honing my arguments and letting 'neutrals' see them too.

My point I I think you have a contradiction between your radical side and your conservative side- all talk of the market as 'natural' and defense of privellege by birth seems at odds with your radical liberalism- thusly your defense by natural law, etc. Also, you ahve accepted notions of totality, which is at odds with your idea that the market is natural- beyond human control.

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