: hmm, yes, people do struggle, but until it becomes conscious struggle, i.e., until it is motivated by theory or wider goals of some sort, of a broader utopian vision, a direction and a specific aim (abolish the wages system, say), it won't get anywhere, sponteneism is dangerous, and can lead to serious defeats.
WW: Sounds like voluntarism to me. Tell me - where, if not from workers' daily struggles, will this theory, this "broader utopian vision", come from? Voluntarism is dangerous and can lead to serious defeats also.
: There is imperialism, but the real myth is 'national interest'
WW: Yes, there was and is exploitation in the "periphery", yet neither directly nor indirectly were\are the extra-European processes the decisive ones. If the question is posed in terms of what is the key - exploitation in the European "cores" or on the "periphery" of the world economy - then the answer empirically and theoretically always has to be exploitation in the "cores".
: WW: Well there are still a hell of a lot of big "Marxist-Leninist" groups outside of the USA (e.g. FARC and ELN in Colombia) who still serve up the old nationalist rigamarole.
: Usually because they are nasty old nationalists.
WW: Yeah, I have a big problem with people who say killing isn't murder when it's done for the sake of the faction.